Franziskaner der Immakulata

[Fridericus]

Lesenswert!

“Annientate i Francescani dell’Immacolata”. La pulizia etnica senza fare prigionieri è iniziata
http://www.papalepapale.com/develop/ann ... -iniziata/

Naturalmente, ho diverse fonti “riservate” su quel che sta succedendo nei Francescani dell’Immacolata (o meglio: il servizio completo che gli stanno facendo), e ad agosto ne ho parlato una sola volta e deciso di non farne più accenno. Dico solo che c’è da mettersi le mani nei capelli per il raccapriccio, la crudeltà così tipicamente clericale, il sadismo e le vendette trasversali che sembrano quasi essere “l’altro voto” dei religiosi, se c’è da sbranare gli altri fratelli: tutte cose che si stanno consumando ai danni dei figli di Padre Manelli. Cattiverie da preti, peggio: da Cappuccini. Tipica, tipica cattiveria tra religiosi, della quale la storia ecclesiastica ci offre ampie prove: il maggior numero di frati e monache oggi santi, hanno subito il martirio non ad opera di infedeli, ma dei loro stessi confratelli e consorelle, fra le chiuse mura dei conventi. E alla crudeltà, oggi, nel caso dei F.I., si aggiunge la vessazione diuturna, specie del vecchio stanco e taciturno Fondatore, Stefano Manelli.

[Konstantin Opel]

Ein Trauerspiel, das Ganze. Da gibt es einen blühenden Orden, der in franziskanischer Einfachheit lebt und Neuevangelisierung betreibt, und Bischof Franz von Rom billigt es offenbar, dass Pater Volpi den Orden mit der ihm verliehenen Jurisdiktion in einem Akt "struktureller Gewalt" (Fachterminus, ggf. bei Wiki nachschlagen) plattmacht - so jedenfalls mein Eindruck. Mir scheint, Pater Volpi glaubt nicht an das iudicium generale. - Aber da ist er wohl in guter Gesellschaft (und damit spiele ich nicht auf Bischof Franz von Rom an).

[iustus]

Lesenswert!

“Annientate i Francescani dell’Immacolata”. La pulizia etnica senza fare prigionieri è iniziata
http://www.papalepapale.com/develop/ann ... -iniziata/

Naturalmente, ho diverse fonti “riservate” su quel che sta succedendo nei Francescani dell’Immacolata (o meglio: il servizio completo che gli stanno facendo), e ad agosto ne ho parlato una sola volta e deciso di non farne più accenno. Dico solo che c’è da mettersi le mani nei capelli per il raccapriccio, la crudeltà così tipicamente clericale, il sadismo e le vendette trasversali che sembrano quasi essere “l’altro voto” dei religiosi, se c’è da sbranare gli altri fratelli: tutte cose che si stanno consumando ai danni dei figli di Padre Manelli. Cattiverie da preti, peggio: da Cappuccini. Tipica, tipica cattiveria tra religiosi, della quale la storia ecclesiastica ci offre ampie prove: il maggior numero di frati e monache oggi santi, hanno subito il martirio non ad opera di infedeli, ma dei loro stessi confratelli e consorelle, fra le chiuse mura dei conventi. E alla crudeltà, oggi, nel caso dei F.I., si aggiunge la vessazione diuturna, specie del vecchio stanco e taciturno Fondatore, Stefano Manelli.

Wenn ich's nur verstehen würde.

Wer kann denn hier italienisch und ist mal so nett, das zu übersetzen?

[confortanseum]

Robert hat insoweit recht, als das man ohne Fakten schlecht urteilen kann. Möglicherweise sind die internen Differenzen doch größer als die Zahl von 6 Beschwerden annehmen lässt.

(...)
But the spokesman for the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, Father Alfonso Bruno, told CNA July 29 that “more than 8 percent of the friars appreciate the intervention of the Church.”

In his estimation, the “problem is not the Holy Mass usus antiquior,” which he described as “only the tip of the iceberg.”

Fr. Bruno pointed to a “small group in power” within the religious congregation that is being influenced by Mother Francesca Perillo, who is “very close” with Lefebvrist groups. He is worried that Mother Perillo, who is in charge of those sisters who live in hermitages, and her followers could fall into “heresy and disobedience.”

Mother Perillo could not be reach for comment before publication time. [url=But the spokesman for the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, Father Alfonso Bruno, told CNA July 29 that “more than 8 percent of the friars appreciate the intervention of the Church.”

In his estimation, the “problem is not the Holy Mass usus antiquior,” which he described as “only the tip of the iceberg.”

Fr. Bruno pointed to a “small group in power” within the religious congregation that is being influenced by Mother Francesca Perillo, who is “very close” with Lefebvrist groups. He is worried that Mother Perillo, who is in charge of those sisters who live in hermitages, and her followers could fall into “heresy and disobedience.”

Mother Perillo could not be reach for comment before publication time.
(...)

Zur Information :

http://chiesaepostconcilio.blogspot.de/ ... fi-le.html

http://www.motherofallpeoples.com/21/ ... he-church/

und :

http://www.paixliturgique.fr/aff_lettre ... T_N_ID=51

Trois fois l'an, nous proposons “Immaculata Mediatrix”, revue qui défend la doctrine de Marie Corédemptrice.

depuis 2, nous tenons aussi une réunion annuelle sur Marie Corédemptrice, l'un de nos chevaux de bataille théologiques. Par manque de soutien ecclésiastique en Italie ce colloque s'est jusqu'ici tenu entre l'Angleterre et Fatima.

# Marie Corédemprice = Maria Corredemptix = Maria Miterlösin)
#"chevaux de bataille" = Steckenpferd, bevorzugtes Thema, Lieblingsthema
# Par manque de soutien ecclésiastique en Italie" = Da wir in Italien keinen kirchlichen Rückhalt gefunden haben)
Apropos Maria Corredemprix... Guess what ... eine Petition :
http://www.fifthmariandogma.com/petition-in-english/
http://www.fifthmariandogma.com/?option ... Itemid=56
Dr. Mark Miravalle
Professor of Theology and Mariology
Franciscan University of Steubenville

[ar26]

@confortanseum (ich antworte, weil Du mich zitiert hast)
Daß die FFI die Idee eines 5. Mariendogmas propagieren, war hier im Forum schon mal angesprochen worden. Näher beschäftigt habe ich mich damit nicht und mir ist auch nicht klar, was dieser Glaubenssatz eigentlich beinhalten soll. Tendenziell halte ich davon eher nichts.

Vollkommen unklar ist allerdings der von Dir augenscheinlich hergestellte Zusammenhang mit den derzeitigen Maßregeln. Wenn dieses "5. Mariendogma" krypto-lefebvristisch ist und eine Einschränkung der a.o. Form der Hl. Messe rechtfertigen sollte, wird hier ein Zusammenhang konstruiert, der nicht besteht. Etwa so, wie wenn man die a.o. Form verbieten sollte, um das Medjugorje-Problem zu lösen.

[umusungu]

diese Gemeinschaft kennt eigentlich niemand ... sie ist aber Thema sooo vieler Beiträge.
Werbekampange?

[ar26]

Jaja, andere Gemeinschaften kennt man heutzutage nur noch wegen ihrer Geschichte, nicht aber wegen ihrer nicht vorhandenen aktuellen "Größe". Insoweit finde ich, daß man sich mit einer Gemeinschaft, die trotzt des nachkonziliaren "Frühlings" derart stark wachsen konnte, durchaus beschäftigen kann.

[Gustel]

diese Gemeinschaft kennt eigentlich niemand ... sie ist aber Thema sooo vieler Beiträge.
Werbekampange?

In Deutschland mag das stimmen, in Florenz aber sind sie durchaus präsent, nehmen am katholischen (Kultur-)Leben mit allerlei Veranstaltungen teil und dürfen sich gut besuchter Messen in Ognissanti erfreuen. Außerdem scheint der Altersdurchschnitt dort nicht sehr hoch und die ethnische Durchmischung ziemlich stark, weshalb sie auch einen guten Anlaufpunkt für Immigranten darstellen können.

[confortanseum]

@ ar26 : Die "Theologie" von Mutter Francesca Perillo und ihrer Anhängern lernt man kennen.

Sola Tridentina Sola Maria Sola Tratra
(Jaaaaaaa, ich übertreibe ein klein wenig)

Fr. Alfonso Bruno kann man also besser verstehen.


@ umusugu: Werbespot mit Mutter Francesca
http://airmaria.com/?sn=38&vp=4956&pref ... t%2Series
(Mother Maria Francesca Perillo, F.I., discusses Mary's Divine Maternity according to the teachings of Bl. John Duns Scotus )

[Friburgensis]

Guter Artikel auf summorum-pontificum.de :

http://www.summorum-pontificum.de/theme ... lkuer.html

Daraus:

Die Härte der von Kommissar Volpi getroffenen Maßnahmen ist schon für sich gesehen nahezu präzedenzlos: Einer der wenigen Orden der Kirche, der einen Zuwachs an Berufungen verzeichnen kann, wird quasi enthauptet. Führende Mitglieder, insbesonderer die Professoren des Seminars, werden ihrer Ämter enthoben und in ferne Länder verschickt, das Seminar selbst wird aufgehoben und die Studenten – falls sie die Einzelfallprüfung durch den Inquisitor bestehen – auf die Fortführung ihrer Ausbildung an Einrichtungen verwiesen, die bisher jedenfalls nur begrenzt im Stande waren, dem seit über 5 Jahren andauernden Zusammenbruch zu wehren

(...)

.

Es ist mir schleierhaft wie man die Welt evangelisieren möchte aber jene, die das dann tatsächlich auf ihre Weise tun einfach zerschlägt, aufteilt somit und eine gewachsene brüderliche Gemeinschaft auseinaderreißt.,, Kryptolebvrismus'' - denen fallen in ihrem radikalisierten Lagerdenken immer neue Begriffe ein um ihre Macht und vermeintlichen Disziplianarpflege-Spielchen weiter auszuweiten.


Besten Gruß aus Freiburg

[confortanseum]

Sorry, it is in english... Aber so lesenswert, oder.

Von Pater Angelo Geiger*, 211 (Im Kommentarbereich)
aus
http://maryvictrix.com/211/12/26/i-am- ... ropaganda/

I am not going to try to prove to you my orthodox credentials. I really don’t care what anyone thinks about my choice to critique traditionalists, and I don’t care who I get mad at me. Traditionalists identify themselves as such, and the term sticks. There are plenty of those who stand outside the modernist fold that critique modernism for their traditional readers. Your complaint just proves the assumption of my post, that traditionalists are largely incapable of self-examination. I preach against the vices of the congregations (readers, viewers) that are present to me. I don’t bother to preach against other congregations’ vices in order to indulge the tastes of my own fold. I experience traditionalism up close and personal. I know it from the inside. It squirms when you put a finger on it.
(...)
There is no question that the nonsense perpetrated by bishops is your strongest argument and my weakest link. But traditionalist apologetics, history and theological analysis, ala Bishops Fellay and Williamson, Roberto De Mattei and Mons. Brunero Gherardini, are not efforts at straightforward intellectual assessment. There is always an axe to grind against the Holy Fathers and the Council. It is always propaganda, a syllogism bent to prove a predetermined conclusion: all at the expense of the position advocated by the Vicar of Christ.
(...)
I define “traditionalist” as someone who holds his opinion of Tradition, that is, his reading of Church documents to be the measure of judgment of the teaching of the reigning pope. I do not hold that it is never licit to question this or that teaching or this or that disciplinary norm, when it is done appropriately and with the intention of ultimate submission. Traditionalism is something else. It is a habit of mind, an airtight system of thought which sets itself against an ecumenical council and fifty years of papal teaching. I do not hold that a man is a traditionalist only if he “wholeheartedly and without exception completely reject the documents of the Second Vatican Council.” I hold him to be a traditionalist because he engages in a hermeneutic of suspicion in regard to the Council and the conciliar and postconciliar popes. I would generally apply such a definition to someone who manifests such opinions publically as a change agent set against the living magisterium.
(...)
I have no objection against the old Mass and am happy to celebrate it. However, I do not hold that that the Extraordinary Form ought to be the Ordinary Form. I do not believe it is superior to the novus ordo or that it is more pleasing to God than the new form of the rite. I know there are arguments to the contrary. They do not have the support of the Council or any of the conciliar or postconciliar popes. I will not fault anyone for their opinion on the matter, as long as they understand it is only their opinion. However, if they commit themselves to be a change agent on the basis of their belief, I will, in perfect good faith and with a Catholic conscience, resist them as the traditionalists they are. I do not believe one single Catholic anywhere or at any time should have the old rite imposed on them, and I happen to know for a fact, that there are many traditionalists who are precisely intent upon the abolition of the new rite.
(...)
I have been a religious in my community for twenty-five years or so and a priest for twenty. The problems that I deal with on a day-to-day basis are not modernist problems. If anything they are tradtitionalist problems. Anytime someone sets themselves against an ecumenical council and fifty years of papal teaching, they step out into the realm of personal opinion, which is never objectively binding on anyone’s conscience. At the very heart of my objection is the moral weight traditionalists attach to their opinions and the vigor with which they attempt to convict the consciences of others. I am not denying anyone’s right to their personal opinion, only asserting mine to resist them absolutely and without apology.
As I have said the bishops are their own worst enemies and make my position hard to defend. I openly admit that. However, no one is going to die for modernism, but they will for traditionalism, and traditionalist absolutism is akin the fascist nationalism that is arising in Europe in the face of the secularist denial of Europe’s Christian roots. In fact, Catholic traditionalism is related philosophically to Perennialism, that both in religious and secular contexts is playing footsie with political fascism. BTW, anyone willing to think their way through Michael Voris’ argument for the disenfranchisement of the non-virtuous will know that such a thing can only be accomplished at the point of the gun. Do some research on the SSPX and you will find some very unsavory political connections. No, I do not, nor will I cultivate a hermeneutic of suspicion in regard to the magisterium in defense of fascists, schismatics and self-appointed elitists.
(...)
Bishop Schneider’s request may be reasonable in terms of a correct reading of Vatican II. His position, however, is not the same as that of the SSPX or, for that matter as far as I can see, that of Roberto De Mattei and Mons. Gherardini, whose open letter to the pope the bishop did not sign. The SSPX, De Mattei, M. Gherardini and the traditionalists as I have described them, dispute the possibility of a hermeneutic of continuity.
Furthermore, underlying the “taking” the traditionalist “side,” implies not simply a clarification of but a repudiation of the new Mass, collegiality, etc. Even more, the principles of the SSPX and many of those who I personally know to be sympathetic to them, make it perfectly consistent for them to attempt to ram their elitist opinions and practices down the throats of faithful Catholics who disagree with them.
Yes, of course, this has been the modus operandi of the Modernists for the last fifty years. I understand that. Hence, I keep pointing out the irony and reaffirming the fact that I have no intention of rolling over to tyranny, whether from the progressive left or the fascist right.
Traditionalism simply is not to be identified with faithful, orthodox, traditional Catholicism. It is a private opinion, an aberration, to which no one is objectively bound in conscience, and with which no one ought to be subjected against their will. Again, modernism and traditionalism make strange gnostic bedfellows.
(...)
Again, I am not engaging in Vatican diplomacy. And I would have no problem signing anything the Holy Father gave me to sign in respect to Vatican II. Why am I, so to speak, on trial? Because I accept the Council without qualification? Does that make me suspect in respect to the true Tradition?

Und auch

http://maryvictrix.com/212/3/5/tradi ... d-liturgy/


*Zur Erinnerung : "Der Historiker (R. de Mattei) ist überzeugt, daß eine Trennung der progressiven Rebellengruppe vom Orden unvermeidlich sein werde. Angeführt wird die Rebellengruppe von Pater Alfonso Bruno, Angelo Geiger und Angelo Gaeta ."
http://www.katholisches.info/213/8/1 ... eaktionen/

[confortanseum]

My community, the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, is a “reform of the reform” community and has been long before this idea became popular. More than twenty-five years ago I was attracted to the FI, in part, because of its reverent celebration of the novus ordo according to the rubrics, and its readiness to incorporate the use of Latin and Gregorian chant into the liturgy. I know that many of our friars, sisters, tertiaries and members of our liturgical congregations have been attracted for the same reasons. This attraction has helped to produce many vocations to religious life and continues to be a reason why people come to our friaries and attend our liturgies.

My experience of the novus ordo, in my religious community has always included the use of Latin and Gregorian chant, communion on the tongue with the use of communion plates, the reception of communion kneeling at an altar rail, and for the last four or five years, in most of our American communities, Mass is also celebrated ad orientem regardless of which form is used. I realize that my experience of the novus ordo for more than two decades has been significantly different from the average Catholic, and that I have been spared a great deal of pain, frustration and scandal within the walls of my community. But this simply confirms for me that the problems are fundamentally matters of abuse and not of the Ordinary Form itself. The idea that somehow one is deprived of graces in the use of the Ordinary Form, or that vibrant Catholic communities faithful to Tradition cannot be formed on the basis of the novus ordo I know to be patently false. The arguments to the contrary, I personally believe to be fundamentally ideological. I appreciate the historical reasons why to many these arguments seem plausible and convincing, but I am still convinced that they are wrong. The historical arguments are not free of a priori ideological underpinnings.

In respect to the Extraordinary Form I have a fair amount of experience. I eagerly learned to celebrate the Mass according the Missal of Pius V, sometime between 1995 and 1998 for several reasons. One reason is because I was attracted to it and believed it would be helpful to me as a priest, and the other reason—the one that was determinative, since at that time as a community we did not make use of the older form of the liturgy—was that there was a priest in the diocese in which I reside that needed a substitute from time to time to celebrate a weekly Mass for a group of traditional Catholics that had connections with a schismatic group. The Mass was being made available as an indult alternative to the Masses being offered by the irregular community. At the time when I learned to celebrate the vetus ordo, I was the only American priest that could do so, aside from the several older priests who had been ordained before the Council. I was also one of the very few in our Institute worldwide that celebrated the old rite at all. I simply have never had a problem with the old rite and I can say I fully appreciate Pope Benedict’s remarks about the two forms of the Roman rite having a “mutually enriching” influence on each other.

Pater Angelo Geiger.
http://maryvictrix.com/212/3/5/tradi ... d-liturgy/

[Lilaimmerdieselbe]

Bei wikipedia gibt es eine übersichtliche Darstellung des Wirken des Administrators Volpi und links zu seinen Stellungnahmen, jedenfalls für die italienisch sprechenden von uns.

[azs]

Nach Wiederbelebung folgt der Abbau – Kommissar löst Klöster der Franziskaner der Immakulata auf

(Rom) Nachdem der Orden Klöster wiederbelebte, die von anderen Orden aufgelassen wurden, folgt nun wieder der Abbau dieser Klöster durch den Apostolischen Kommissar. Ein katholischer Laie, der durch die Franziskaner der Immakulata zum Glauben zurückfand, verschickte in diesen Tagen eine Mail. Darin beklagt er die Schließung eines Klosters der Franziskaner der Immakulata. „Ich möchte vorausschicken, daß ich ein Niemand bin und mich als Letzten unter den Gläubigen fühle. Ich fühle aber auch einen großen Schmerz, angesichts der Axt, mit der Hand an die Franziskaner der Immakulata gelegt wird“.

Das Kloster von Sassoferrato in den Marken war vom Franziskanerorden wegen fehlenden Nachwuchses aufgelassen worden. Die Franziskaner der Immakulata belebten das Kloster vor einigen Jahren neu, wie sie überhaupt auch dadurch bekannt wurden, daß sie wegen ihrer zahlreichen Berufungen die von anderen Orden aufgegebenen Kloster übernahmen und zu neuem Leben führten. Zuletzt bestand der Konvent von Sassoferrato aus 60 Brüdern.

Der von Rom eingesetzte Apostolische Kommissar Pater Fidenzio Volpi löste das Kloster nun auf. Das gleiche Schicksal trifft in dieser Woche auch das Kloster von Colfano, ebenfalls ein vom Franziskanerorden aufgelassenes Kloster in den Marken, das noch zu Lebzeiten des Heiligen Franz von Assisi gegründet worden war. Im Juli 2012 hielten die Franziskaner der Immakulata dort Einzug und führten das franziskanische Leben fort, das seit 800 Jahren das Kloster von Colfano erfüllte (siehe eigenen Bericht Neues Kloster der Franziskaner der Immakulata – Blühender Orden der Tradition). Nun wird auch dieser Konvent durch den Apostolischen Kommissar aufgelöst. Der Orden von Pater Stefano Maria Manelli hattte in einer außergewöhnlichen Gegenbewegung zum allgemeinen Berufungstrend einen Höchststand von 800 Brüdern erreicht, als die Ordenskongregation eingriff.

„Die Novizen und Seminaristen sind desorientiert, die Brüder mit ewiger Profeß sind vom Schmerz zerstört“, so der Gläubige in seiner Mail. „Sie werden behandelt, als wären sie Häretiker.“ Dabei war es Papst Benedikt XVI., der dem Orden wie allen Orden, Priester und Laien den Zugang zum überlieferten Ritus öffnete. „Mit der Ankunft eines neuen Papstes, der den Orden vielleicht nicht so kennt wie ihn Benedikt kannte, ist ‚jemand‘ zum Angriff übergegangen, mit dem Ergebnis, das nun vor aller Augen ist.“ Nun muß jeder Priester um Erlaubnis bitten, um im Alten Ritus zelebrieren zu dürfen, und wenn er es vor Gläubigen tun will, muß er zusätzlich jedes Mal um ausdrückliche Erlaubnis ansuchen. „Wer die Geschichte der Kapuzinerin Schwester Veronica aus Fermo kennt oder jene von Pater Pio von Pietrelcina, weiß wie stark der Angriff der Verleumdung sein kann, um Mystiker zu bekämpfen und zu bremsen.“

Was können diese Brüder „Schlimmes verbrochen haben? Sie beten, tun Buße und bauen die verlassenen Klöster wieder auf“.

Quelle

[confortanseum]

The “Seminarium Theolgicum Immaculata Mediatrix” (S.T.I.M.) receives F.I. students from all around the world, providing a two-year philosophical and a three-year theological program of studies.
...
Since October of 212, the two separate residences of the seminarians (philosophy and theology students) were reunited into a single edifice in the large friary of “La Pace” located within the vicinity of Sassoferrato (AN).
The academic staff is composed mainly of Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate who obtained their licentiate or doctorate in one of the Pontifical Universities.
The S.T.I.M. cultivates and promotes with particular interest Franciscan philosophy and theology (especially Mariology) through specific courses and with the publishing of various scientific journals: Immaculata Mediatrix, Fides Catholica, Annales Franciscani, Studi Scotistici. In addition, they edited the edition of the Promptuarium Scotium, a dictionary of Scotistic terms in two volumes, and the bilingual edition of the Prologo dell’Ordinatio of Blessed John Duns Scotus.
Numerous professors frequently contribute several articles and monographs on different fields of the theological science for our publishing house “Casa Mariana” or other Catholic publishing houses. They annually organize a symposium on the Marian Co-redemption and Mediation, as well as days of study for the permanent formation of the priests, friars and sisters of the Institute.

http://www.immacolata.com/index.php/en/seminario

[Konstantin Opel]

Aha, nach dieser Meldung ist alles in Butter, oder was?

[Lilaimmerdieselbe]

Wenn man jorges Argumentation auf geistbraus, die ja auch in diesem threat eingeführt wurde, vertraut und das Hauptproblem im unverantwortlichen Umgang mit den Seminaristen sieht, dann ist ganz bestimmt nicht alles im Butter, aber dann konnte Pater Volpi kaum anders handeln.

[Friburgensis]

Wenn man jorges Argumentation auf geistbraus, die ja auch in diesem threat eingeführt wurde, vertraut und das Hauptproblem im unverantwortlichen Umgang mit den Seminaristen sieht, dann ist ganz bestimmt nicht alles im Butter, aber dann konnte Pater Volpi kaum anders handeln.

Der Umgang mit einigen Seminaristen scheint in der Tat problematisch gewesen zu sein und ich teile in einigen Punkten jorges Diagnose-Volpi's Therapie halte ich aber für weit überzogen und verfehlt, wenn nicht gar als brutal. Ich bin da wirklich am hadern ob hier wirklich nach dem Grundsatz ,,salus animarum suprema lex'' verfahren wird, oder doch vielmehr das progressive Lager versucht unliebsamen Nachwuchs auszuschalten. Nur weil es früher mal einen Antimodernisteneid gab, muss die progressive Seite noch lange keinen Modernisteneid einführen wollen. Und erst recht muss man deshalb nicht gleich den Orden komplett umkrempeln, das Seminar schließen und die Laienbewegungen ausschalten. Personaländerungen hätten zur Not genügt.
lg

[koukol]

Alles auf Linie bringen. Stalinismus eben, moderne Kirche zeigt ihr wahres Antlitz.

[martin v. tours]

Es erinnert mich ein bisschen daran, das die Meuterer der Bounty, als Sie letztendlich auf Ihrer einsamen Insel waren, die Bounty verbrannt haben.
Nur für den Fall, das es sich jemand anders überlegt hätte.

[confortanseum]

Unaufrichtigkeit, Desinformation... Seufz.

Blog vom Angelo Geiger, FFI
http://maryvictrix.com/213/8/3/messa ... /#comments

Message from the Apostolic Commissioner of the FI
Posted on August 3, 213 by frangelo
ON THE OCCASION OF PERPETUAL PROFESSIONS
Tarquinia, August 31, 213.
Dear young people,Allow me now to mention the Institute to which you will belong. I know that it arose at the doors of the third millennium as a response to the conciliar Decree Perfectae Caritatis that invites religious to “return to the sources.” In addition to the Rule of the Order of Friars Minor, you also profess the Marian Traccia of Franciscan Life which is it’s Marian expression, whose spiritual legacy you have accepted fully and live out within the Marian Houses and in the Houses of the Immaculate, engaged in the use of modern means of communication (television, radio), and in religious-priestly activity and that which is missionary.[...]

Bill Folley - Im Kommentarbereich:
It is refreshing to read some of the defenses of the Holy Father on this blog.
I receive a magazine from Rome published by the FFI; the articles are excellent on the whole, but occasionally there is one that questions Vatican II and regards this council as a rupture, which contradicts the teaching of JPII, BXVI, and Francis. Perhaps the Holy See is trying to preclude the ordedr from sliding into a SSPX status

In : http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/213/1 ... scans.html

With regard to the article on Dr. Marco Tosatti’s blog, on the 4th of December 213, with the title “What did the Franciscans do?”, in order to re-establish truth and charity inside our Religious Institute, for which I have been appointed Apostolic External Administrator ad nutum Sanctae Sedis, I extend my sense of duty for justice and mercy also towards unaware readers, long time victims of misinformation, with its aim of vindictive, personalized targeting towards worthy and respectable religious, “guilty” only of having indicated abuses and irregularities in their Institute and of having obeyed the Church with the subsequent calling into question of the ex-government of their religious family. [...]

Offizielle Website der Franziskaner der Immaculata
http://www.immacolata.com/index.php/it/ ... immacolata

RISPOSTA APERTA" A UN LAICO FRANCESCANO DELL'IMMACOLATA

Egregio Signor Nevano,

Ho attentamente considerato la Sua lettera aperta, apparsa sul periodico “on line” denominato “Libertà e Persona”.

Prima di rispondere dettagliatamente a quanto in essa scrive, mi permetto di osservare che, or non è molto tempo, La ho ricevuta nel mio ufficio di Roma ed ho ascoltato tutti i Suoi argomenti, rispondendo puntualmente e con assoluta franchezza a ciascuno di essi.

Mi rammarica il fatto che da questo incontro non sia risultato il chiarimento che auspicavo, al punto che ora Ella – come peraltro è Suo pieno diritto – manifesta pubblicamente forti critiche nei miei confronti.[...]

Zur Erinnerung :
Die Visitation der Franziskaner der Immaculata wurde von Papst Benedikt angeordnet (5. Juli 212).
Ob der Emeritus es heute bereut ?



15.12.13
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 774&type=1

[Fridericus]

Tradition Under Fire: Franciscans of the Immaculate vs. the Vatican
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn2nF_b76WA#t=72

[Bernado]

Unaufrichtigkeit, Desinformation... Seufz.

Blog vom Angelo Geiger, FFI
http://maryvictrix.com/213/8/3/messa ... /#comments

Da hier von "Desinformation" die Rede ist: P. Angelo Geiger ist einer der führenden Sechsergruppe der Dissidenten, die dieVisitation angestoßen und die folgende Entwicklung maßgeblich gestaltet haben.

[confortanseum]

@Bernado : Das war nicht sehr klar - Tut mir leid.
Eigentlich - Desinformation & Unaufrichtigkeit = Kath...es.info, Ror.... Cael... u.a.
Pater Volpi hat viel geschrieben und geantwortet, viel erklärt.
Und seine Gegner ... ?
Pater Angelo Geiger ist kein Dissident. DAS ist Unaufrichtigkeit.
Hattest Du das nicht gelesen ? =>

Blog vom Pater A. Geiger :

I am not going to try to prove to you my orthodox credentials. I really don’t care what anyone thinks about my choice to critique traditionalists, and I don’t care who I get mad at me. Traditionalists identify themselves as such, and the term sticks. There are plenty of those who stand outside the modernist fold that critique modernism for their traditional readers. Your complaint just proves the assumption of my post, that traditionalists are largely incapable of self-examination. I preach against the vices of the congregations (readers, viewers) that are present to me. I don’t bother to preach against other congregations’ vices in order to indulge the tastes of my own fold. I experience traditionalism up close and personal. I know it from the inside. It squirms when you put a finger on it. (...)

und :

My community, the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, is a “reform of the reform” community and has been long before this idea became popular. More than twenty-five years ago I was attracted to the FI, in part, because of its reverent celebration of the novus ordo according to the rubrics, and its readiness to incorporate the use of Latin and Gregorian chant into the liturgy. [...]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=911&start=224

[Fridericus]

Di “grande durezza” - l’espressione è di Tosatti – la replica del Commissario, il quale, tra l’altro, afferma: “Il fondatore ed ex Ministro Generale, padre Stefano Maria Manelli, che già nel gennaio del 212 si era sottratto al dialogo costruttivo con i religiosi che lamentavano una deriva cripto-lefebvriana e sicuramente tradizionalista, al mio recente invito di chiarimento del 16 novembre scorso, in cerca di una ricomposizione, come anche al fine di chiedere conto, di tutte le opere e di tutti i beni mobili ed immobili dell’Istituto affidati a suoi familiari e figli spirituali durante il commissariamento, rispondeva con un certificato medico emanato da una clinica privata in cui è tuttora ricoverato su sua richiesta».

In realtà queste affermazioni sono in parte smentite dalla lettera - di cui La Nuova BQ è venuta in possesso, datata 18 novembre e che è scaricabile in calce all'articolo - che lo stesso padre Volpi ha inviato al professor Giovanni De Luca, direttore sanitario della Clinica privata “Villa Floria”, in località Campozillone, a Mignano Montelungo, in provincia di Caserta, nella quale il fondatore dei Francescani dell’Immacolata è stato recentemente ricoverato. [...]

http://www.lanuovabq.it/it/articoli-i-d ... i-794.htm

Naja, erklärt und geschrieben hat der Fuchs viel...

[confortanseum]

ach, Danilo Quinto...
http://www.uccronline.it/212/2/21/il- ... ale-muore/

und la nuova bussola quotidiana...
http://www.lanuovabq.it/it/englishArtic ... h-5878.htm

versus

das Blog von P. Angelo Geiger und die offizielle Webseite der Franziskaner der Immaculata.

Aber warum nicht...

Naja, Pax tecum @Fridericus und schönen Abend.

[Fridericus]

Der Fuchs widerspricht sich teilweise doch selbst und den Brief, den die NBQ angibt kannst Du doch auf deren Internetseite lesen. Und Du willst doch auch nicht Prof. De Luca der Lüge bezichtigen?

[Fridericus]

The Franciscans of the Immaculate have been going through a trying time recently. This seems to be getting worse. Rorate Caeli posted yesterday several documents relating the Franciscans of the Immaculate, including correspondence from Fr Volpi, the appointed Commissioner for the Institute. [...]

http://the-hermeneutic-of-continuity.bl ... scans.html

[Fridericus]

Antwort der Franziskanerinnen der Immakulata auf die Vorwürfe, die Volpi in seinem Schreiben vom 8. Dezember erhebt

Con profonda tristezza e costernazione apprendiamo che nella Lettera circolare dell’8 dicembre u.s., indirizzata a tutti i Frati Francescani dell’Immacolata, il reverendissimo Padre Volpi accusa “alcune esponenti di spicco delle Suore Francescane dell’Immacolata” di aver contribuito a creare una “mentalità distorta” nei Frati, influenzandone fortemente lo stile di vita.

Riteniamo del tutto infondate tali accuse che, nella loro genericità, offendono tutto il nostro Istituto, e di conseguenza, le rigettiamo in toto, mentre ricordiamo con il nostro Papa Francesco che “chi sparla uccide i fratelli” (2.9.213), mentre “la misericordia cambia il mondo” (17.3.213).

Da parte nostra cerchiamo di seguire l’invito del Vicario di Cristo a “camminare in presenza del Signore, con la Croce del Signore; di edificare la Chiesa sul sangue del Signore, che è versato sulla Croce; e di confessare l’unica gloria: Cristo Crocifisso. E così la Chiesa va avanti” (14.3.213).

http://cuoreimmacolato.com/component/co ... hiarimento

[ad_hoc]

....auch wieder interessant.

Gruß, ad_hoc

[confortanseum]

1) Quelle?

In data odierna ho ricevuto una diffida dall’Avvocato Davide Perrotta di Roma, che mi ha scritto in rappresentanza dei “familiari Padre Stefano Maria Manelli”.
Egregio Avvocato,

Ho ricevuto in data odierna la sua diffida, che ho provveduto immediatamente a pubblicare sul sito ufficiale dell’Istituto dei Frati Francescani dell’Immacolata, corredata dalla presente a titolo di precisazione.

Ella basa le Sue richieste su di una affermazione contenuta in una nota RISERVATA da me inviata l’8 dicembre u.s. a tutti i Religiosi dell’Ordine.

Chiarisco in primo luogo che il carattere confidenziale di tale scritto NON autorizzava nessun componente dell’Istituto a trasmetterlo ad organi d’informazione, e chi si è reso responsabile di tale trasgressione ne dovrà dunque rispondere in sede canonica, oltre che in sede penale. [...]

2) http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item ... rKqtLuKax

Pity the poor Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, persecuted by heartless bureaucrats who despise all things preconciliar! Weep for their Superior General, put under house arrest, his councilors banished to Earth’s remotest ends! Woe to the Vatican commissar, systematically demolishing the community, its charism, and its apostolic works! [...]

[Gamaliel]

2) http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item ... rKqtLuKax

Dazu eine Entgegnung:

Informed source picks apart erroneous Catholic World Report propaganda piece



@confortanseum

Könntest Du Dich bitte bemühen Zitate auf die (Dir) wesentlichen Inhalte zu kürzen. Vorteilhaft wäre es auch, wenn Du jeweils mit einem (einleitenden) Satz darstellen könntest, warum Du das Zitat überhaupt bringst.
Einfach nur überlange Zitate (ohne Überschrift) ins Forum zu kopieren ohne "Muh und Mäh" ist nicht sehr leserfreundlich, zumal man erst einmal erraten muß, ob überhaupt ein Bezug (bzw. welcher Bezug) zur laufenden Diskussion besteht oder ob es um einen neuen Aspekt des Threadthemas geht.