Anglican Traditionalists in Dialogue with Orthodox Church

[Joseph]

NASHOTAH: Anglican Traditionalists in Dialogue with Orthodox Church

By Michael Heidt
Special to Virtueonline
http://www.virtueonline.org
October 9, 29

Nashotah House --Over one hundred and fifty delegates and top Anglican traditionalists, including ACNA (Anglican Church in North America) Archbishop Robert Duncan, and Bishop Jack L. Iker of Fort Worth, have gathered at Nashotah House Seminary for a two day ecumenical conference with the OCA (Orthodox Church in America). Entitled "In the footsteps of Tikhon and Grafton", the conference aims to rekindle the relationship begun by St. Tikhon and Bishop Grafton of Fond du Lac in the 19th century.

Conference speakers include His Beatitude, Metropolitan Jonah, Orthodox Metropolitan of All America and Canada, the Very Rev. Chad Hatfield, Chancellor of St. Vladimir's Orthodox Theological Seminary, Archbishop Duncan of the ACNA and Dean Robert Munday of Nashotah.

Speakers will address the history of Anglican-Orthodox relations, enculturation, mission and theological training; the event concludes with the signing of a "Covenant Partnership," pledging continued prayer, fellowship and ecumenical cooperation between the Nashotah House and St. Vladimir's Seminary.

Dean Munday of Nashotah House stated that this new bond between the two seminaries "is an important step in furthering a renewal of Anglican-Orthodox ecumenical dialogue."

This was dealt a serious blow by The Episcopal Church's decision to ordain women and more recently by institutional support of abortion, gay rights and the jettisoning of scriptural and creedal doctrine.

With the establishment of a new Anglican Province in North America, which upholds orthodox teaching on human sexuality and the sanctity of life, dialogue between the two Churches has restarted.

According to Fr. Hatfield, Chancellor of St. Vladimir's seminary, "Together we can take the work and witness or our forefathers and reclaim the voice of Christian orthodoxy that this world is starving to hear once again. Not to do so would be to fail to build upon the foundations of both seminaries and the two traditions that they represent. Now is the time to act boldly, and together we will in common witness to the truth of the Gospel of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ. May it be blessed."

The Episcopal Church, led by gay advocate, Jefferts Schori, has not commented on the conference but sources say there is concern that TEC has been sidelined in this new ecumenical discussion.


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[Miserere Nobis Domine]

gay advocate, Jefferts Schori

++Katharine is a straight oceangrapher.


Naja, in der ACNA gibt es ja auch die Reformed Episcopal Church, die die Realpräsenz in der heiligen Eucharistie ablehnt! Daneben gibt es in der ACNA auch die "Diocese of the Holy Spirit", die aus, äh, sagen wir Charismatikern besteht.

Die Nashotah-Leute sind vernünftig: konservative Anglokatholiken, die durchaus als "western rite" in die Orthodoxie aufgenommen werden können. Der Rest aber definitiv nicht... die ACNA ist ein sehr heterogener Zusammenschluss, dessen Teilgruppen nur zwei Dinge gemeinsam haben: sie fühlen sich irgendwie anglikanisch und sind gegen Homosexualität. Auch über die Frauenordination sind sich die verschiedenen Gruppen übrigens nicht einig.

[Niels]

NASHOTAH: Anglican Traditionalists in Dialogue with Orthodox Church

By Michael Heidt
Special to Virtueonline
http://www.virtueonline.org
October 9, 29

Nashotah House --Over one hundred and fifty delegates and top Anglican traditionalists, including ACNA (Anglican Church in North America) Archbishop Robert Duncan, and Bishop Jack L. Iker of Fort Worth, have gathered at Nashotah House Seminary for a two day ecumenical conference with the OCA (Orthodox Church in America). Entitled "In the footsteps of Tikhon and Grafton", the conference aims to rekindle the relationship begun by St. Tikhon and Bishop Grafton of Fond du Lac in the 19th century.

Conference speakers include His Beatitude, Metropolitan Jonah, Orthodox Metropolitan of All America and Canada, the Very Rev. Chad Hatfield, Chancellor of St. Vladimir's Orthodox Theological Seminary, Archbishop Duncan of the ACNA and Dean Robert Munday of Nashotah.

Speakers will address the history of Anglican-Orthodox relations, enculturation, mission and theological training; the event concludes with the signing of a "Covenant Partnership," pledging continued prayer, fellowship and ecumenical cooperation between the Nashotah House and St. Vladimir's Seminary.

Dean Munday of Nashotah House stated that this new bond between the two seminaries "is an important step in furthering a renewal of Anglican-Orthodox ecumenical dialogue."

This was dealt a serious blow by The Episcopal Church's decision to ordain women and more recently by institutional support of abortion, gay rights and the jettisoning of scriptural and creedal doctrine.

With the establishment of a new Anglican Province in North America, which upholds orthodox teaching on human sexuality and the sanctity of life, dialogue between the two Churches has restarted.

According to Fr. Hatfield, Chancellor of St. Vladimir's seminary, "Together we can take the work and witness or our forefathers and reclaim the voice of Christian orthodoxy that this world is starving to hear once again. Not to do so would be to fail to build upon the foundations of both seminaries and the two traditions that they represent. Now is the time to act boldly, and together we will in common witness to the truth of the Gospel of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ. May it be blessed."

The Episcopal Church, led by gay advocate, Jefferts Schori, has not commented on the conference but sources say there is concern that TEC has been sidelined in this new ecumenical discussion.


http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modu ... ryid=11321

Good news!

[Joseph]

Die Nashotah-Leute sind vernünftig: konservative Anglokatholiken, die durchaus als "western rite" in die Orthodoxie aufgenommen werden können. Der Rest aber definitiv nicht...

Die die wollen können. Die die können sind willkommen....
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.Matthew 3:12

Gruß
Joseph

[anneke6]

Wer genau ist Deiner Meinung nach die Spreu?

[Joseph]

Wer genau ist Deiner Meinung nach die Spreu?

Aaaaah eine Fangfrage, hahaha
Ich werde mich derer aber entziehen indem ich jetzt kaffeetrinken gehe.... nice try though

Gruß
Joseph

[Miserere Nobis Domine]

anneke6,

Ich kann zwar nicht für Joseph antworten, kann aber die Aussage seines Metropoliten (++Jona von der Orthodox Church in America) zitieren:

What would it take for this reconciliation to occur? The Metropolitan was explicit:.

Full affirmation of the orthodox Faith of the Apostles and Church Fathers, the seven Ecumenical Councils, the Nicene Creed in its original form (without the filioque clause inserted at the Council of Toledo, 589 A.D.), all seven Sacraments and a rejection of 'the heresies of the Reformation."

His Beatitude listed these in a series of 'isms'; Calvinism, anti-sacramentalism, iconoclasm and Gnosticism. The ordination of women to the Presbyterate and their consecration as Bishops has to end if intercommunion is to occur.

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[anneke6]

Hmm…hier ist von Phänomenen die Rede, die abgeschafft werden sollen. Ich habe die Stelle bei Matthäus eigentlich immer so verstanden, daß sie sich auf Menschen bezieht.

[Joseph]

Hmm…hier ist von Phänomenen die Rede, die abgeschafft werden sollen. ...

Wo? Das Wort "phenomenon" taucht in der gesamten Rede nirgendwo auf????? Was natürlich "abgeschafft" werden muss sind die Fehlentwicklungen der Reformation... schließlich sollen/wollen die ja Orthodox werden und nicht wir Reformiert.

Danke MND. Da sieht man mal wieder wie nützlich es doch ist kaffeetrinken zu gehen.... die Arbeit wird dann von anderen erledigt. Blos hat meine Frau diesen Trick schon lange durchschaut.... bummer

Gruß
Joseph

[Sebastian]

Danke Joseph für die obige Info.

[Christ86]

Da muss man sich hüten. Diese "Traditionalisten" haben kein einheitliches Profil. Die haben volle Gemeinschaft untereinander obwohl die einen FO praktizieren, die anderen sie ablehnen, die einen das Priesteramt und Realpräsenz leugnen, die anderen daran festhalten etc. etc.

Das Einzige, das sie eint, ist die Ablehnung von Homosexualität.


Die Orthodoxe Kirche sollte da genau prüfen - obwohl, ich bin sicher, dass sie das tun wird Der Metropolit kennt die Anglikaner ja.

Es wäre natürlich schön, wenn die Rechtgläubigen unter ihnen in die Orthodoxie eingebettet würden

[Joseph]

Die Orthodoxe Kirche sollte da genau prüfen - obwohl, ich bin sicher, dass sie das tun wird Der Metropolit kennt die Anglikaner ja.
Es wäre natürlich schön, wenn die Rechtgläubigen unter ihnen in die Orthodoxie eingebettet würden

Keine Bange, +Jonah kommt aus der Episcopalian (Anglikanischen) Kirche zur Orthodoxie und 60% der OGläubigen sind Konvertiten von den Protestanten oder Katholiken. Wir passen schon auf, denn wir kennen unsere Pappenheimer...

Gruß
Joseph